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hundreds of thousands of people flood the streets of our nation's capital on a day for the history book. this is "cnn tonight," i'm don lemon live in washington. this is not the inauguration of president trump. this is the women's march on washington and not just washington but hundreds of thousands of people in cities across the country and many more all around the world on a day of protest against his brand new administration, president trump travels to cia headquarters for a briefing from senior agency leader, speaking in front of the wall of honor where fallen operatives are remembered with stars the president says this. >> i get up this morning and turn on one of the networks and they saw an empty field. wait a minute, i made a speech. i looked out. field looked like 1 million, 1 1/2 million people, they showed a field of practically nobody standing there. >> we'll get to all of that but
talk about the protesters first all across america and around the world marching from women's rights and other civil rights they fear could be under threat from president trump's administration. if you think it's confined to washington, look at this, marchers spread across the country. boston, denver, park city, utah, chicago, oakland, california, and more. and in donald trump's stronghold, in the red states, indianapolis, houston, phoenix. and thousands more from london to barcelona to melbourne to oslo. lot to discuss. i'm going to bring in now, david swerdlick, jeffrey lord, kirsten powers, jim sciutto. first day. >> so how did it go? >> we have a lot to talk about,
i want to talk about massive crowds and protests. and i'm not talking about the inauguration. this is in all 50 states. protested donald trump and his agenda and talked about women's issues there to bring them to the forefront. turnout exceeding the expectations of organizers. even in anchorage, peoria, florida, not to mention around the globe and antarctica, how big of historic moment is this? >> as exercise in free speech and as an exercise in non-violent dissent, big success. the pictures show it all. at grocery stores i saw a lot of moms with daughters and same with people in north carolina, got the sense of more experienced generation passing on a tradition of activism to a younger generation.
in terms whether this translates for democrats to gains in 2018 and 2020, no idea. you can protest all you want. president obama always said don't boo vote. this is what he was talking about. >> put in historical perspective douglas, compared back-to-back with the big inauguration. >> always will be remembered as two morphed together, trump's snaurlgs inauguration and this protest. originally after the election calling it million woman march on washington, d.c. organizers got smart and said let's not do that, let it mushroom up. all over america. cities caught people by surprise. seattle and denver and atlanta. on and on the list that you just gave. it's big. huge moment. we haven't had a women's movement march like this. it reminded me of v-j day. victory over japan, 1945. people started coming out of
apartments and homes and unexpected people. talked to john kerry today. he marched. former secretary of state. not on the calendar to march but caught up in the spirit. lot of extra people in the towns started coming out. >> historically we had the march on washington but worldwide civil rights movement this is unprecedented. >> for the sheer numbers and sisterhood around is global. it's a global sisterhood, not just in the united states. and let's -- main thing, it was very peaceful. any of us walking around d.c. were proud, people hugging each other. taking families. it was a great moment of american dissent. >> you saw the ground swell and big celebrity component as well in the nation's capital. watch this. >> the president is not america. his cabinet is not america.
congress is not america. we are america. >> having fought a lot of my life to get my rights as a woman, i'll be damned if i'm going backwards. >> trump and his handlers have found a fox for every chicken coop in washington and a twitter finger must not become a trigger finger. he also said he was with the people, indeed he was the people. to paraphrase a famous quote, i just want to say, i have met the people and you are not them. >> kirstin, i thought this was interesting, celebrities may draw your attention if you're watching television but they
were almost an afterthought and some might say distracted from it, doesn't think it was ground swell, especially madonna with the comments about the white house. >> and seen women, pro-choice march, lot of them come out. haven't seen what doug was talking about. pictures from all over the world. anchorage, alaska, my sister-in-law from fair banks, alaska, that's a lot of people in fairbanks coming out in minus 15 weather in conservative state coming out and marching. and i think that is a really touching thing. >> and sent me pictures from my little town in long island with people out marching. little towns that the cameras aren't there. >> that's the story don. it's not about new york and d.c. i was in new york this afternoon. joy all over the streets. story is the marches overperformed.
underpromised and over-delivered. donald trump yesterday over-promised and under-delivered. predicting historic crowds that didn't show up. today the crowds in new york spilling out of 5th avenue. >> cities we didn't have on the screen, new orleans, atlanta. should the president possibly have said today -- i think it would have been, some people would have appreciated that i am your president too. >> obviously would have been gracious but clearly not his style. he is coming in a very adversarial way. and not going to change. we should not expect it to. analogy to be drawn to the tea party movement in 2008 and 2009, analogy is lazy but really true that two constituencies, nonideological group concerned with the direction of the country and rhetoric from donald
trump and more ideological group from the left of the country. and it's interesting to think about who will really drive the movement forward? because one of the big offshoots of the tea party movement is perhaps the most non-idolognon-l one to come out of the movement. >> and some of the folks there complaining about democrats not listening to them as well. just to say all democrats or hillary clinton supporters is not necessarily so. jeffrey lord. what do trump supporters -- i was sitting with trump supporters in a restaurant having lunch as this happened and as he was at cia. i'll share anecdotes later. but what do you think? >> well, first of all let me say i went down. and i was trying to get to the african-american museum and it was impossible to do finally because there were so many
people. i was stopped many times. all without -- couple exceptions not for television. most of these folks just terrific. and i encouraged them. because i'm a child of the '60s, i believe new in -- in protests and demonstrations. i think it's terrific. i think the trump people i was talking to yesterday think the same thing. what they also think is we had an election and they won. and they were the forgotten people and they won. one thing i would caution here. i remember -- you know where i'm going with this. ronald reagan, 19 -- >> only took 10 minutes into the show. >> june of 1983, a million people in the streets of new york and others around the world protesting for the nuclear freeze and calling ronald reagan all sorts of names. he reacted, not well. i think he questioned their patriotism, challenged them, et
cetera. my point is at end of the day all they wound up doing is helping ronald reagan who won a 49 state landslide and carried the day on the issues. just cautioning, what they did is magnificent, god bless them. good for them, that's their point of view. but just because you do that doesn't mean you'll carry the day. >> the dichbs is -- difference is the one with ronald reagan was not worldwide. >> i thought some in london and paris. >> but the scope and magnitude of this. we'll continue to discuss, blame him pour taking your time in the first segment jim. we'll come back. massive crowds marching against the president but he cares a lot more about the size of another crowd at yesterday's inauguration and his press secretary is hot under the collar about that tonight.
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president donald trump's press secretary lashing out at news media today over the reports about the size of the crowds at yesterday's inauguration. i want to bring in our senior white house correspondent, mr. jim acosta. good evening. very interesting to watch this briefing. day two of the trump presidency and -- actually first full day and confronted by massive protests right outside his window but trump white house is focused on the crowds at inauguration yesterday, play sean spicer where he gave a blistering statement full of inaccuracies and took no
questions. >> secondly, photographs of the inaugural proceedings framed in a way in one particular tweet to minimize the enormous support that had gathered on the national mall. this was the first time that covering was on the grass on the mall. the grass eliminated this visual before. this was also the first time fencing and magnetometers were used to stop them as quickly as inaugurations past. >> i was down there. i wanted to experience it like everybody else instead of the media, public entrance and waited in line with the public. weren't hundreds of thousands waiting.
only about 100 or so where i was in the particular line where i was and weren't that many. what about these magnetometers and floor coverings they're blaming? >> right. two different things. let's do the ground coverings first. they use them to protect the grass. the sod on the national mall. and what sean spicer said this was the first time the ground coverings were used. that is not just the case. just not the case. looking at picture right there from getty images from barack obama's inaugural in 2013. we should point out tom barrack, inaugural chairman was just on the channel saying this wasn't used in 2013. the other picture where you saw the workers unloading the ground coverings, if you look at the very back of that photograph you see the inaugural setup at the capital.
that is the inaugural setup in front as ground coverings are unloaded off that stack and placed on the national mall. one of the other campaign embeds had a picture she provided to us that shows the ground coverings used in 2013 for barack obama's second inaugural. they were used them. just not factually accurate and google search or having your staff do searching on the internet would have uncovered that. as for magnetometers, sean spicer said that this use of the magnetometers went as far back as the mall preventing hundred thousands of people being unable to access. as you mentioned, don, there were not hundreds of thousands of people waiting in line. and the u.s. secret service tells us magnetometers were not used to prevent people accessing the mall. were magnetometers around, you
went through one but not circling the mall to get people. that is just not the case. >> right, right. >> let's play a little bit more, something else that incensed spicer. >> inaccurate numbers involving crowd size also tweeted. no one had numbers because the national park service which controls the national mall doesn't put any out. by the way this applies to any attempts to try to count the number of protesters today in the same fashion. we do know a few things. so let's go through the facts. we know that from the platform where the president was sworn in to 14th street, holds the number from the media tent to the washington monument. another 250,000 people. all of this space was full when the president took the oath of office. we knew that 420,000 people used d.c. metro transit yesterday, compared to 317,000 that used
for president obama's inaugural. this was the largest audience to ever witness an inauguration period, both in person and around the globe. >> jim you've been fact checking the numbers. what can you tell us? >> right, we know the metro ridership numbers cited by sean spicer were not accurate. i believe we have a graphic prepared. according to washington metro service here in the nation's capital, 570,000 riders took metro yesterday for donald trump. back in 2013, it was 782,000, and 1.1 million in 2009. that is the full day ridership number from metro. sean came in and gave -- spicer gave numbers that were not complete. and part of the issue that this
raises don, you know, granted first day out for spicer giving a briefing in the white house but -- but when you're white house press secretary pays dividends in the long run for him, his boss and administration to have facts straight. to pick this fight with the news media and accuse them of falsely representing what actually took place and not armed with decent facts to back that up, strikes me as woefully unprepared and doing his boss a disservice, and that is going to be a major problem moving forward to sean spicer. if the boss is sending him out there because he's irate, going to have to come a moment for spicer to say mr. president, i can't go out and just lie to everybody. i can't go out and just present
false information to get you out of this jam. they have to work this out. these are battles that go on behind the scenes at white house whatever the administration. but i think today being the first full day at the white house to see what we have seen unfolding is just astonishing. i have never seen anything like it. >> i think you're right. there's a doth protest too much to this. panel is back. mark, we didn't talk about this yesterday. and i said this on the air last night. we wanted to give donald trump his due, it was an inauguration. we didn't focus on the inaugurations. we have been to them, and yesterday they were sparse crowds. we can look at the footage, and that was live. it's on tape now. it is what it is.
we wouldn't be discussing it had he not brought it up. why is he obsessing over the crowd numbers? maybe something social media people are obsessing over but why? >> think about the irony of this, donald trump sitting inside the white house right now and there is a reporter out on his lawn questioning why he would choose to try to blatantly lie. that has got to be eating him up inside. but i am sure that donald trump would like to come out and punch out jim acosta. i think that's lost on everyone here. i think donald trump would love to walk out and punch out jim acosta and other reporters doing that. but talk about the bigger issue. there's a bigger issue. crowd size doesn't matter. it is what it is. people watched on tv, listened on radio, internet. it is what it is. bigger issue is that donald trump chose to send his spokesperson out to blatantly lie. think if you're in the shoes of sean spicer, spokesperson. first full day on the job and you have the leader of the free world say to you, go out and tell the reporters this.
now do you say look, no. i'm not going to do that and i quit? or do you say okay i will go out there. think of the quandary you're in. if you resign -- >> he is not going to fire sean spicer on the first day. >> look who you're talking about not going to do it. >> you don't know. your communications director and press secretary who runs communication shop quits on the first day because he refuses to tell a blatant lie. what is worse? we know it's terribly wrong but i think it's not spicer it's trump. scariest part is that donald trump so thin-skinned something so small -- >> i want to get to mr. sciutto. i agree. that's fine. i think the bigger issue is lying to the american people.
we have the responsibility to have an informed electorate. and he's lying. >> crowd size doesn't matter. massive lie told about it today but doesn't matter. in the hierarchy of unaccuracies today, president himself went to the cia and he lied i suppose i could use that word or told a narrative contrary to the facts about who created this dispute with the intelligence agencies which was him. we have numerous incidents of him undermining the intelligence community because he didn't like his perception that russia interfered with the election because it's his read that -- makes his presidency less legitimate. that's an importantly. >> i think it was disgraceful that intelligence agencies allowed any information that turned out to be so false and fake out. i think it's a disgrace.
and i say that, and i say that, and that's something that nazi germany would have done and did do. i think it's a disgrace that information that was false and fake and never happened got released to the public. >> that was then. that was just over a week ago. this is today at cia. >> the reason you're my first stop is that as you know i have a running war with the media. they are among the most dishonest human beings on earth. right? and they sort of made it sound like i had a feud with the intelligence community. and i just want to let you know, reason you're number one stop is exactly the opposite. exactly.
and they understand that too. >> go jim. >> that's not true, what he just said. we have the public statements where he criticized and disparaged the intelligence community but even that -- first of all. that's important. because he was willing to go public and undermine intelligence agencies that he and the country depend upon, to keep us safe and because he didn't like the assessment of the hacking. that's important. you talk about lies, put a spokesperson out to lie about crowd size. what if donald trump orders troops into battle and they die? do we trust the white house to speak about that honestly if they lie about this? what if a terror attack happens and they had a warning or he gets a warning and doesn't share with the american public, can you then trust him to share that information that the public deserves to know accurately?
based on this whether from his spokesperson's mouth or from the president's mouth? that is essential to the functioning of democracy. and if on day one you're willing to tell two inaccuracies that don't matter that much or matter less than real stuff happening. that's a concern. >> anybody in the producer's -- get a little bit more time. does anybody care about the crowd size here? didn't care a bit. on the parade route, people are here, happy to see the person they went to the booth for is now the president of the america. >> i do care, shows divided america that fewer lied up. matters a lot that he lied about it. >> i think the lie matters but i don't think the crowds matter that much. >> here is the natural response to that. what percent of the d.c. population, 95 to 5 voted for
him? >> my voters from middle america and not enough could make it out would be even if -- >> bush had big inaugurations. i loved those inaugurations. >> but we know that trump's voting population lower income. >> then why were all the dresses in washington sold out? >> a lot of poor people voted for president barack obama and again i was here, unscientific polling people from all over the world, every state in the united states and people keep saying his voting bloc is here from urban areas and whatever, african-americans, whatever, that may be true, but there were a million more people at that inauguration. >> it's not a fair comparison to compare the first african-american president elected and his inauguration than donald trump. >> then why didn't spicer say that instead of lying. >> let's talk about the cia. you said oh, they applauded him.
the cia liked it. i'm told that he also had staff members there. >> staff members and also, someone at cia i communicated with today who said you could go good f you wanted. self-selective. people who went were the people who liked him. and the truth is most of the people there don't like him. for obvious reasons, i think. and maybe not so obvious is they really value people with interest in what is going on around the world and don't feel like he does. >> there we go. ready? four more years. thanks everyone. >> eight years. >> just ahead, president trump attends an interfaith prayer service and gets an unexpected message from and imam. i'm going to talk to him next.
president trump began his day attending a prayer service at washington's national cathedral. clergy from various faith took part but one had unexpected message for the president of sorts. he is imam mohammed magid, executive director of the all dulles area muslim society. thanks for joining us. originally asked you to do the call to prayer right? >> call to prayer. yes. >> and a couple of days ago you told -- >> a few days ago i shared with the national cathedral and inaugural team that i would like
to use the verses from the koran. >> and verses were about diversity and -- >> yes. >> many saw as political messages. why did you choose this? >> these voices from the holy koran i used in various gatherings for praying for the nation and celebrating diversity of this beautiful country. those verses are from the holy koran and address that all of us as human beings are equal before the eyes of god. it's not political message at all. it was well received i would like to say. it addressed the principles that this beautiful country was built on. >> what were the verses? >> from chapter 49 says that all mankind, human kind, male and
female, adam and eve, admitted to different nations and tribes and communities so that you might recognize one another, get to know one another. and those are the most righteous. >> why did you feel the need to do that? >> i feel the need to do this because when i saw the numbers of people coming to this prayer service from various communities, different religious backgrounds, i looked to that gathering and saw the american salad bowl. >> and you thought they needed to hear that message. you're very well known here in washington, very well known. you have been criticized by your fellow muslims for agreeing to take part in this event. why did you agree? >> my model and example is my prophet, peace be upon him. prophet mohammed spoke with people who disagreed with him and spoke ill of him and engaged him.
in order to have people understand who we are, we have to engage with them. and therefore, the american muslims are hurt from the rhetoric of the campaign. and therefore enough of them still believe that -- been misunderstood, they have not -- mischaracterized. >> mischaracterized. >> by the campaign and muslim-americans don't like to be looked at, as suspects. or a security threat. >> so what would you like to see from this administration? >> what i would like to say -- >> did you get to talk to him? >> he shook my hand. >> he shook my hand and thanked me. what i would like to see is understand that american muslims are part of the american social fabric.
they contribute greatly to this country. some of them lost their lives for this country. and i have five daughters. really quite a task, and i want all of them to grow up proudly in america, not every day to feel they're not part of america. i don't like them to feel be looked at as security threat. because i want them to be best american they can be. >> americans come in all religions, all backgrounds, shapes, size and colors. thank you. >> my pleasure. >> it was an honor. we'll be right back. "how to win at business." step one: suck on and point decisively with the arm of your glasses.
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righteous. massive protests worldwide, the day after president donald trump's inauguration. now, let's discuss this with our panel, as well as matt louis, a senior contributor for "the daily beast." how is everyone doing? get some rest? >> no. because i was at the march. >> sleep all day tomorrow. so hello, how are you? congratulations again. in city after city you saw all of these crowds protesting against president trump. it was massive. even worldwide, donald trump likes to claim support from
crowd size from events like this, today's marches. what kind of a message do you think that sends a day after his inauguration? >> i think it shows we are living in a hyper-partisan time. it reminds me of the tea party protests that didn't happen the day after the election. it was not a mass gathering, but nevertheless it was a movement that was loud and sustained itself and really into the election of donald trump. and my wonder with this, is is this protest going to turn into a new movement? i think it's hard to do, b. >> anybody want to respond to what she said, about hype e hyper-partisan? >> it was mostly women -- >> it was mostly women, but there were a lot of things they talked about. a lot of grievances, women's rights, lgbt rights, fears over
immigration problems. is there a risk of missing the important message, which is women? >> the march highlighted it. we can talk about the rights of women, but there are so many women who are dealing with the fear of their families being snatched away in the middle of the night by ice. there are women who have children whose children are uncomfortable with themselves. they don't feel like they can exist in society because they're being discriminated against, because they're lgbtq. so we have to touch on it, we do ourselves a service when the conversation is one-sided. >> were you surprised to see so many men? >> i was, it was big, can't take that away.
something kayleigh said, look at the tea party movement. you could argue well, the republicans, it all paid off for them, because they won mid-terms. donald trump became president. a lot of bad things happened, too, including the fact that barack obama, if you're a tea partier, got two terms. and i wonder how much of this energy, you know, equal and opposite sort of reaction you know. you take the good with the bad. how much of this energy is going to be good versus how much of it is based on paranoia about donald trump, and the trump derangement since donyndrome -- >> i think if you castigate it as being liberals or democrats,
i think what you say today was not anti-trump at all. i think what you saw today -- >> did you read the signs, bakari? >> there is a lot of fear and anger, i do think what you saw today was something that even surprised me. i consider myself to be a very, very proud progressive democrat, even coming from south carolina. but it surprised me, the numbers. i mean, you're talking about people who were protesting around the world. and so donald trump has done two things, you give him credit. his first day was rocky. i don't know if this was politically correct but his first day sucked. i think he has done two things very, very well. the first is that he has brought people together who has had those issues, when we talk about intersectionalty, he brought all of these people together and made affordable care act popular again. >> but is there a danger of a backlash when you have elizabeth
warren flinging her hands, and madonna saying controversial things from the podium, if you're sort of a middle class working guy from america and watching this on tv -- >> that is really cool to say. but you had working class white women on a saturday who came, and this was their first time ever protesting anything. >> i'm just saying -- >> the double-edged sword, and sometimes they show energy and passion in a movement, and sometimes -- >> matt, i hear you. i refer to myself as a child of the civil rights movement. and it may have been a double edged sword to use your words, but i will bet on the successes of that protest movement versus any other movement you want to say -- >> should the president be reaching out to the president in that crowd? selina zito starts off our panel when we come right back. e doct. i was told that is was cancer, and i called cancer treatment
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within out there, as well. >> you know, one of the things that president obama faced when the tea party came out was that he never really addressed him and he paid for it not personally. he always remained personally popular. his policies paid for it in the midterm elections and down ballot in state legislative bodies. i always thought if he would have will this conversation with the people that were upset with him, with the people who didn't like his policies in some way or form, he maybe would have not lost those. >> should donald trump do that? >> yeah, i think there needs to be some sort of olive branch passed down. some sort of conversation. you can avoid the pitfalls that happened to the democrats and i mean, and they are -- 1,030 seats in seven years, that's a lot of seats they lost. and that could happen to republicans if that line of communication is not open.
it's really important. >> i told jeffrey lord i would share my acneck dote. i said if there wasn't an olive branch, that doesn't bode well for re-election if he doesn't extend an olive branch. these people can be pulled in. they're not happy with democrats, as well. >> there will be an olive branch but it will come not in the form of words which i would argue he did that in his address. but it's going to cop in the form of action. because where obama was governed like a liberal and that's what he campaigned as, trump is going to governor as the first post partisan president. he'll make deals with guys like bernie sanders on trade and trying to insure that everyone has some form of health care. he's the first post partisan president. if he governors that way, the people who marched today will be surprised. >> trump ran on the republican ticket. >> i find that to be -- >> he ran on the republican ticket. >> this discussion is quite
fascinating. you brought up the point if barack obama would have done this or that. the night before barack obama got inaugurated and sworn in, he was at a din ker honoring john mccain. you had people like mitch mcconnell who said we're going to make sure this was a one-term president. republicans met under cover of darkness making sure his agenda did not exist. that being said, i recall very often people said barack obama was something he even said which he has taken back, being the first post racial president. to hear donald trump is the first post partisan president echoes. >> i'm not talking about going to dinner with john mccain. to me that's not being post partisan. i'm talking how congressional republicans said this is the first president who didn't try to call me and work together on issues. he did not extends and reach across the aisle the way we've seen in the gingrich days. >> 15 seconds. >> but the republicans under barack obama literally said their job was to make sure he
was unsuccessful. it's hard to pick up the phone for somebody. for donald trump, he needs to reach out. we have yet to see him send any olive branchs. >> i remember democrats and even some african-americans criticizing him saying, stop trying to work with them. they're not going to work with you. because they said he tried too much to be bipartisan and to work with them. >> donald trump has yet to try a little bit. >> just a little bit. >> just a little bit. >> listen, donald trump, what else douse have to lose? people around the world taking it to the streets to pro test today. one of them a woman who supports trump. i'm going to talk to her next. my friends think doing this at my age is scary. i say not if you protect yourself. what is scary? pneumococcal pneumonia. it's a serious disease. my doctor said the risk is greater now that i'm over 50! yeah...ya-ha... just one dose of the prevnar 13®
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coast-to-coast and around the world. how will president trump respond? this is "cnn tonight with don lemon." live in washington. thank you for joining us. day two of the trump administration and marchers flooded streets in washington and beyond, even spreading across the red states of trump country. no response yet from the administration but press secretary sean spicer did have crowd size on his mind today, specifically for the size of the crowd for president trump's inauguration. white house fighting back that the crowd at inauguration was smaller than when barack obama took office in 2009. >> this was the largest audience